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|From Kevin Kriewaldt:
100 E. Morning Glory Dr. # 203
Clintonville, WI 54929-8844
16 Jul 2004
Please send me the game-by-game passing stats of Jack Kemp & Daryle Lamonica during the 1964 & 1965 seasons; I need them for my APBA Pro Football Game so I can match these teams up against the NFL Champs for those years...will be fun to do! Maybe the AFL will have some bragging rights then, too, like in 1969!
Kevin J. Kriewaldt
[I don't have these stats, but maybe another AFL fan can provide them. Kevin is also interested in Namath's game-by-game passing totals in 1967. If you can help him, please pass this on.
Remember the AFL]
3304 N Nebraska St
Chandler, AZ 85224
22 Jul 2004
Thanks for hosting such a great site devoted to the AFL! The thing that impresses me about this site is how everyone has respect for the other old AFL teams and fans--even for the hated Raiders!!! There's no trash talking--except for the NFL!!!--just neat reminiscing about the good old days. I'd like someone to tell me where I can find a quote that verifies that the Minnesota Vikings were given an NFL franchise for spying on the AFL. In case you didn't know, they were awarded their NFL franchise the day after they declined their AFL franchise!
I was a Junior at Grandview High School, a Kansas City south-side suburb, in 1963 when the Texans became the Chiefs. We were visited by one of the young Chiefs players, and I still remember his name to this day--Benny Biodrowski. I can't remember what he said to us, but this was an example of how the Chiefs reached out to the community to get the fans in the seats. My wife and I attended our first Chiefs game in 1967 at old Municipal Stadium--I still have the bus ticket stubs! I've been a Chiefs fan ever since, moving to West Palm Beach in 1970--Dolphins Country!!!--and to Phoenix in 1977--Cowboys Country then (and it still is, Cardinals or no!!) I've maintained my loyalties thru the years, attending the local games when they play here and occasionally back in KC. We watch them almost every Sunday at a sports bar in Mesa, AZ called Sluggo's. The owner lived in KC for a while and has a corner just for us 20-30 regular Chiefs fans. If you live around here, come and join us when the 2004 season starts and we can see some good ol, gunny defense again!
Thanks for a great site! Ron Maty
[There was a Minnesota franchise in the original "Foolish Club". Max Winter was the owner. The franchise name was NOT the "Vikings". The city fathers of Minneapolis were the ones who backed out of the AFL deal when the "established" NFL came courting. I think it was not that they were "spying" on the AFL, but that the NFL was forced by the AFL threat to end its hide-bound complacency and actually expand its boundaries. Like network TV, gate and TV revenue sharing, and recruiting from small black colleges, expansion is something the NFL would likely not have done for years, if the AFL hadn't come along to show them how good profesional football could really be.
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|From Tom Campbell:
29 Jul 2004
Angelo... You are to be congratulated on such a tremendous site that honors the AFL! Great memorabilia intertwined with descriptions of those 10 great years. Kudos! I have been collecting AFL memorabilia for the past several years and if any of your guests have any AFL hilite films or game films - especially of the Bills' championship games against the Chargers in the mid-60s, I would be interested in knowing, in hopes of working something out in order to add to my collection of memories. I hope to speak with you soon to congratulate you on a job more than well done. Cheers to all. Tom Campbell
[Tom: Good to hear from you again. Remember the AFL]
|What do the
following fifty-five American Football League players have in common?
Houston Antwine, Fred Arbanas, George Blanda, Nick Buoniconti, Chris Burford, Billy
Cannon, Gino Cappelletti, Clem Daniels, Len Dawson, Tom Day, Bob Dee, Elbert Dubenion,
Larry Eisenhauer, Booker Edgerson, Earl Faison, Tom Flores, Don Floyd, Cookie
Gilchrist, Goose Gonsoulin, Larry Grantham, Dave Grayson, John Hadl, Abner Haynes,
Wayne Hawkins, Sherrill Headrick, Charlie Hennigan, E.J. Holub, Earthquake Hunt, Harry
Jacobs, Jack Kemp, Ernie Ladd, Keith Lincoln, Paul Lowe, Paul Maguire, Bill Mathis, Don
Maynard, Jerry Mays, Curtis McClinton, Ron McDole, Gene Mingo, Ron Mix, Jim Norton, Babe
Parilli, Art Powell, Johnny Robinson, Paul Rochester, Tom Sestak, Billy Shaw, Mike
Stratton, Bob Talamini, Lionel Taylor, John Tracey, Jim Tyrer, and Ernie Wright?
|From Bob Carroll:
Pro Football Researchers Association
3:52 PM EST
All of them were in the AFL by 1962.
Unlimber the AFL
Of course by the end of the 1962 season, few of those listed had yet reached the level of public awareness that would convince everyone that the AFL was indeed a major league. Several top AFL stars like Kemp, Blanda, Dawson, Lionel Taylor, and Art Powell were NFL castoffs. Others such as Cappelletti and Hennigan had not even been drafted by the NFL and others had been drafted on very late rounds, such as Charley Tolar who was taken by Pittsburgh on the 27th round. Although few kidded themselves into believing that the AFL had reached major status in '62, the championship game woke up a lot of people to the excitement available. AFL fans were confident that their favorites would continue to build toward major status. Whether the league was ready or not, major league status was given it with the merger. Although the first two Super Bowls may have forced some to doubt that the AFL was ready to compete with the NFL, the doubters overlooked the fact that the AFL was still the younger of the two leagues and hadn't yet peaked while the NFL may have gone past its best days. The 1970s proved that point. Bob Carroll
|From Bob Carroll:
31 Jul 2004
For some reason the proprietor of this site takes offense at the term "castoff" when it is applied to such players as Jack Kemp, George Blanda, and Art Powell who were found wanting by NFL teams but later proved their worth in the AFL. The term, defined as "one that has been discarded," seems proper to me. The NFL let them go, found them unworthy, released them, wrote them off, and decreed that their services were no longer needed. While some might suggest that they found success with the AFL might "prove" that the new league was second-rate, several of these players continued to excell [sic] after the AFL-NFL merger. It would seem to me that all the term "castoff" shows is that NFL teams did not believe the players were likely to improve the teams' performances. That the NFL teams were probably mistaken simply puts them in the same category as every team that ever existed. They all made and will continue to make personnel mistakes. However, out of respect for the proprietor of this site, let me suggest that in the future we all refer to those players who qualify as "players-who-failed-to-impress-NFL-coaches-but-who-later-played-well-in-another-league-
-- Bob Carroll
7:16 PM EST
I had forgotten to include Charlie Tolar, and also Jim Otto. That makes (at least) 57 good-to-great players who joined the American Football League between 1960 and 1962. Maybe some enterprising NFL fan will list ninety-three (adjusted to make up for the greater number of NFL teams) good-to-great players who joined the NFL in 1960, 1961 and 1962. Then we can compare the lists and decide if the early AFL was a major league. Remember the AFL
04 Aug 2004
I am a very big football fan from Germany. I was last year in America to look up one football game. It was very great. In Germany the most only play soccer. I think this sport is bad. Football is the only real sport for man. I am in a German football team. (a very small) but it's great. Sebastian from Germany
|From Jason Bowen:
05 Aug 2004
Does anyone remember Tombstone Jackson? Greatest head slap technique ever. Even better than Deacon Jones. Or so I have been told. How about Ben Davidson breaking Joe Namath's nose? My dad still thinks Joe Namath is The Man. My first football game I ever watched was the Jets v Colts Superbowl. Man I loved George Sauer and Emerson Boozer. My favorite team back then was the Kansas City Chiefs with all those stars. Buck, Willie, Otis, Lenny, Bobby, Jim, Jan, Elmo. What a great time to watch football. Chiefs v Raiders WOW!! Marv Hubbard, Hewritt Dixon, Fred Biletnikoff, The Mad Bomber, Villapiano, Willie Brown. And they hated each other. WOW!!! Jason Bowen
|From H.A. Malecki:
23 Aug 2004
Being from Baltimore I was always hearing it for rooting for the Jets... Wasn't it ironic that the Colts eventually became an AFC team.... But there will never be a better team than the 1969 New York Jets.... I miss the AFL. H.A. Malecki
|From Richard Trigg:
Seminary, MS 39479
8/24/2004 12:32:50 AM EST
I delved into your "Remember The AFL" page.... Spent lots of time there.... I loved it!!!! I graduated HS in 1964 and was in love with the KC Chiefs!! And to this day, I still am, though I am from MS !!!
I literally got "goose bumps" as I looked at all the stuff you have there... And then I came upon an action pic of the 1970 SB, ( Minn / KC ).... Here I almost choked up... There before my eyes was the great Buck Buchanan driving the Minn QB out of the pocket....
What a moment that was in U.S. sports and pro football for the upstart AFL to win the final true SB in such a fashion, "going away" !!!!!!
Seems to me that today we have a kind of "generic" pro football and the onset of another "season" doesn't get me all excited like in the "old days".... But maybe I'm alone with that feeling....
I have e-mailed your site to my brother and friends.... Thank you so much :-) Richard Trigg
|From George F.:
30 Aug 2004
I have great memories watching Hadl to Alworth when I was a kid. The Chargers also had a very good receiver back then named Gary Garrison. I think he also deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
Thanks. George F.
[Garrison was in the AFL from 1966 through 1969. He was an AFL All-Star once, in 1968 when he had ten touchdown receptions. He later was in the NFL Pro Bowl 3 times. This might be a good place to talk about my criteria for the American Football League Hall of Fame.
|From Mark Sedotti:
16 Sep 2004
My twin brother and I became big AFL fans in 1964, the summer of our third grade year. We were attracted to it because it was a passing, exciting league, not run oriented, with much less action, like the NFL. We loved the San Diego Chargers beautiful uniforms too. The coolest we had ever seen. I immediately became a Lance Alworth fan. I loved watching Lance leap so high for balls, then come down gracefully, striding off, often untouched, speeding for the end zone. I tried to find anything about the San Diego Chargers I could. This was difficult at the time, living like I did, in the New York metropolitan area, and an entire continent away. Today, it's so easy to find paraphernalia of your favorite team. I once sent away for a yearbook and received a press book from the organization. Man, was I thrilled. I had a football helmet that I painted up just like the Chargers, with the yellow lightning bolts and the black number 19 on both sides. My favorite number is still 19. I wore it for every sport I ever played if I could get it too. I think I was the only Chargers fan in the New York area in the mid sixties. I never ran into another.
My brother and I watched both AFL games religiously on NBC every Sunday they were on. We saw the Jets a lot, and the Raiders, and the Chiefs. Joe Namath was great, and was so famous in New York. Fun to watch, and follow in the papers too. So were the colorful Raiders, like Fred Biletnikoff, Ben Davidson, the Chiefs big defense, and Otis Taylor too. I remember "Super Nat" fondly, the Chiefs tiny kick returner, with his colorful "touchdown dances". The first to ever celebrate that way I think. And I remember the Heidi Game, and will never, of course, forget the Jets beating the Baltimore Colts in the first Super Bowl [that was won by the AFL], with Namath guaranteeing the victory. Was I a big man in school the morning after THAT one. There weren't many AFL fans around in those days. I just finished the new biography "Namath", which is a wonderful read, and the author mentioned the number of NBC employees weeping with joy at the big (huge?) game's conclusion. Hey, they weren't the only ones.
In all, that league brings back simply great feelings and memories. It's really nice to come upon this website. God Bless, Mark Sedotti
As a Chargers fan, you should enjoy Todd Tobias' new book, "Charging though the AFL". Remember the AFL
|From A. Dellaport:
22 Sep 2004
Great site, Ange. Thank you. I just missed the AFL. Didn't start watching pro ball until 1971 when I became a Raider fan. I became very interested in the AFL from reading of the successes the Raiders had in the late '60s; appearing in Super Bowl 2, Heidi, games vs. the Chiefs, Lamonica's MVP seasons. The early years when the league was finding its identity and trying to stay afloat are filled with strange stories. The Broncos lose a coin toss & Rote is signed by the Chargers. Gogolak's defection. Uniform evolution was fascinating to trace. Vertical striped socks...brown bronco...white bronco...no bronco! Jet plane...white football (can't see it) ... green football. Historians claim the pass defenses were weak in the early years & I suppose there's truth to that, after all George Blanda couldn't have led the '63 Bears to an NFL title (or could he have?). On average, early AFL defenses gave up only 3 more points per game than their counterparts in 1969. Not too shabby. Sure, there were those famous shootouts, and they must have been great!
|From C. L. Bridges:
24 Sep 2004
I am an old AFL buff, and enjoy your website immensely. I have a friend who was a kicker in the NFL for a number of years, and is now a sportscaster in southern California, who loves to try to stump me on AFL questions, and every now and then he will succeed. I have been trying to put together the original rosters of the original eight AFL teams for some time, but to no avail. I would also like to know the original starting quarterback for both the New York Titans, and the Dallas Texans, if that information is available. I remember the other six teams, but not those two.
I can be reached at "email@example.com" if anyone has any information.
Al Dorow was 201 for 396, with 26 tds and 26 ints for the Titans in 1960; and Cotton Davidson was 179 for 379, with 15 tds and 16 ints for the Dallas Texans. Remember the AFL
|From Bob Thompson:
228 Winterpark Drive
West Monroe, LA 71292
26 Sep 2004
Looks like the 2005 Hall of Fame Senior Committee nominated players from the '20s instead of living players that can still appreciate induction while they are still with us.
Johnny Robinson, 7 time All Star/Pro Bowl ('63, '64, '65, '66, '67, '68, '70) Safety, Kansas City Chiefs 1960-1972. AFL All-Time Team; Pro Football Hall of Fame Team of the Decade ('60s); member of the first Pro Football Hall of Fame Combined Pro Bowl Team; nominee, All-Time Super Bowl Team; member of Kansas City Chiefs Hall of Fame; 58 career interceptions, 18 touchdowns, 5 time interception leader of the Chiefs, retiring as the teams all time leader; 2 time interception leader of the AFL/NFL ('66, '70); member of '62 AFL Championship Team; played in Super Bowl I and member of Super Bowl IV championship team where he played with three broken ribs and torn cartilage and made an interception and fumble recovery. He played starting halfback on LSU's 1958 National Championship team; first round draft pick, third overall pick of the AFL's Dallas Texans (became Chiefs in '63) and the NFL's Detroit Lions. Member of the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame, member of the Missouri Sports Hall of Fame.
Bob: Good points. The 'pro football' Hall of Fame's new rules on induction of 'Seniors' actually HURTS the chances of AFL players. Only two Seniors are allowed to be nominated, and they are lumped in with recent retirees. This does nothing to address the fact that great AFL players were systematically left out when they were first eligible, because of the Hall's NFL bias. AFL fans should write to the Hall of Fame at 2121 George Halas Drive NW, Canton, Ohio 44708. Tell them that it's time they admitted their bias, and revised the rules for AFL players. Remember the AFL
PO Box 538
Shirley, New York 11967
03 Oct 2004
anyone know what ever happened to curley johnson the punter ??
does anyone know the origin of the titans. i was told that the base was a team from astoria called the astoria regalmen. any truth to that. i played for the regalmen for a short period in the late 50's - early 60's. there were some great players back then. anyone remember bull carcone just to name one.
The Titans were one of the original American Football League franchises, owned by Harry Wismer. They had nothing to do with the "Astoria Regalmen", though some of those players may have tried out for the team. The Titans were stocked in the same way as the other eight original AFL teams, by a draft of college players and by signing free agents, with or without previous pro football experience. Original Titans included AFL Hall of Famers Don Maynard, Bill Mathis, Larry Grantham and Art Powell. Remember the AFL
07 Oct 2004
Love the old AFL. Would be thrilled to find copies of the Dallas Texans films from '60-'62. Any help would be greatly appreciated. - John
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